They call me Prophet

[the_prophet_whiteboy]

Hi my name is John my friends call me prophet. I am a Christian . I will tell a little about myself so that im not misquoted, or that some here like "prooftext" wont think im sneaking in with a hidden agenda.

I hold that the bible is true and that God is sovereign in everything even today ie He didnt stop being sovereign in 70 AD.

My eschatology is Preterist as defined in the bible. I believe the only way a man can know<that is have a relationship with God>> is through His Son Jesus Christ. There are those that are/will live in eternal peace with God and those that are outside His presence. It's not my job to decide who goes where.

I believe that discussions can be fruitful and that great ideas can come forth. I also believe that the bible must be the one and only source for truth no matter how much are emotions pull on us.I will happily answer any question the best of my ability and will always try to show scripture rather than "e.b." emotional arguements.

Nice to meet you all!

[Amie]

Hi my name is John my friends call me prophet. I am a Christian . I will tell a little about myself so that im not misquoted, or that some here like "prooftext" wont think im sneaking in with a hidden agenda.

Yep, I remember when I could call you "prophet" - oh wait, that was #2 to me ;), and my personal first thoughts were not of suspecting a hidden agenda - they were more like :eek: .


I believe that discussions can be fruitful and that great ideas can come forth. I also believe that the bible must be the one and only source for truth no matter how much are emotions pull on us.

I forsee some interesting talks in the future. I agree that theology isn't emotion-driven, I feel that it is emotion-inspiring.


I will happily answer any question the best of my ability and will always try to show scripture rather than "e.b." emotional arguements.

Is this meant as a derrogatory statement? We discourage that here unless in jest. Differences though, are welcomed.

Amie

[the_prophet_whiteboy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by John
I will happily answer any question the best of my ability and will always try to show scripture rather than "e.b." emotional arguements.

You asked me if this was derogatory.??

1 : detracting from the character or standing of something

e.b.meaning emotional bologna LOL, is there a e.b here ?:confused:

[the_prophet_whiteboy]

Oh!! infitinete grace ed burley, eb ... I see.. lol Hey is that a hakiu ?:cool:

[Barry]

I believe that discussions can be fruitful and that great ideas can come forth. I also believe that the bible must be the one and only source for truth no matter how much are emotions pull on us.I will happily answer any question the best of my ability and will always try to show scripture rather than "e.b." emotional arguements.

Nice to meet you all!

Hi John,
great to have you here.
You will find that most of the folks here are some of the least emotionally driven, theologically minded folk you could want to meet.
We do however believe that God now writes on our hearts and minds. So I guess you could say that we are heart and mind driven with the word of God as our standard.

While this is predominantly a "common grace", "fulfilled grace" or "infinite grace" forum we do embrace and invite many other views and eschatological positions. We are quite open.
If you haven't please take the time to read our two introductory articles.
Blessings Barry

[Infinite Grace]

Hi John,
long time no see. Welcome to Talk-Grace. One thing that you will find out about this place is that we are very willing to discuss issues with anyone who wants to. However, we do have rules about ad hominem attacks, and other unChristlike behavior. That makes this a safe place to discuss things. I think you will find that to be true.

I was confused by your reference to "prooftext" (your quotation marks). We do not have any member named that here. Are you referring to another site, perhaps? Most of us rely heavily on the "narrative method." The bible is A story, composed of MANY stories; much the way that God is One, and yet Many. These stories give us the true picture of God. Proof texting is not always a true picture of what the bible is teaching, as we all know. God's sovereignty is shown over and over again, in story after story in the scriptures. Some of the other doctrines that accompany sovereignty are developed using proof texting, rather than the more reliable narrative method.

Anyway, that is where I am coming from. Again, welcome to the board.

[Paige]

Welcome John. Hope you find our forum a place of freedom.

Paige

[kevinbeck]

Personally speaking, I find it pretty difficult keeping my emotions out of my conversations about God. I can't even keep my emotions out of my conversations about football and baseball. I mean, after all, God is love. And as I've experienced it, love is highly emotional. Emotions aren't so bad. I think it is when I attempt to deny my emotions (deny what we are really feeling and sensing) that I run into trouble--maybe you do too. I was recently thinking about Jesus in the temple overturning the tables. "Zeal for your house has eaten me up." Or at the tomb of Lazarus when Jesus was grieved in his spirit, then "Jesus wept." All highly emotional events. Or God who says, I will rejoice over you with singing. Thank God for our emotions. And I love what Paige says about finding a place of freedom. Hre at TG, I've felt very free to epress my emotions and my thoughts. Thanks everyone.

Love,
Kevin

[Barry]

That's so true Kevin!
I think sometimes what we may mean is that all sense of rational or logic can get jumbled up and we might call that being "emotional".
One thing is for sure, the God of the Bible is very emotional and so is his Son and so were his disciples.
It means a lot that you or anyone and everyone would feel free here to express their emotions.
I love you bro!
Barry

[the_prophet_whiteboy]

Hi Kevin,
of course our emotions come forth when speaking of God,I would like to just requote myself.

I also believe that the bible must be the one and only source for truth no matter how much our emotions pull on us.

My point was not that emotions are "bad" but rather the word of God prevails over"what I may feel".


Personally speaking, I find it pretty difficult keeping my emotions out of my conversations about God. I can't even keep my emotions out of my conversations about football and baseball. I mean, after all, God is love. And as I've experienced it, love is highly emotional. Emotions aren't so bad. I think it is when I attempt to deny my emotions (deny what we are really feeling and sensing) that I run into trouble--maybe you do too. I was recently thinking about Jesus in the temple overturning the tables. "Zeal for your house has eaten me up." Or at the tomb of Lazarus when Jesus was grieved in his spirit, then "Jesus wept." All highly emotional events. Or God who says, I will rejoice over you with singing. Thank God for our emotions. And I love what Paige says about finding a place of freedom. Hre at TG, I've felt very free to epress my emotions and my thoughts. Thanks everyone.

Love,
Kevin

[Amie]

I also believe that the bible must be the one and only source for truth no matter how much our emotions pull on us.


Do you think that people with different theologies can maintain friendships?

Amie

[kevinbeck]

Hi John,
Good to meet ya! I wasn't trying to imply that you suspected that emotions were bad. I was just commenting on my own emotional experiences.

Truth is an interesting this, isn't it? I mean, there is creedal truth, experiential truth, propositional truth, truth in the Platonic sense, truth in the Hegelian sense, truth in the Heideggerian sense, truth in the type/antitype sense, truth in the absolute sense, truth in the relative sense, truth in the emotinal sense.

I know some things that I believed to be absolutely factually true 20 years ago, I no longer understand as being true. While the "facts" didn't change, I did. As a result, so did my understanding of what is/was/might be true in any sense.

It seems to me that one of the most meaningful understandings of truth is being "true to yourself." To do anything less is just self-destructive. For me, this includes being open to growth and God's fresh wind entering my life. Being open to transcend where (and even who) I am now is a truthful recognition that I am open to God's continual activity in and through me.

This has not always been easy for me...nor should it be. You talk about being open to hearing God's voice as articulated through the Bible. That has been very important in my life...as I am certain it has been and is in yours. And as you know, this openness can tear at our emotions. It can cause rejoicing and weeping, celebration and mourning--all at the same time.

It is a beautiful journey. I'm glad we're on it together.

Blessings,
Kevin


BTW: If you don't mind me asking, you have a very interesting handle, The Prophet Whiteboy." What does it mean?

[the_prophet_whiteboy]

Amie,

I think it is possible for those with diffent beliefs to have friendship. I do not think people will HUGE theology diffences can be united in Christ. Example, I can not be united with a mormon , who believes in a totally differnt God than the bible shows us. If someone claims to be a christian and yet rejects Christ as only way to father, or there are new ways/antonments to recieve eternal life.

Kevin we can claim or point out all "truths" as we see it, but again I believe the word of God is the only truth. It is far higher than creedal,experintial etc etc.

As for my handle here. When I first came online years ago everyone was a pastor,apostle prophet etc. So I took the title prophet and just added whiteboy.:biggrinbounce:

[Amie]

John,

Whether or not you can be "united in Christ" with a Mormon in your view, or whether or not you feel they worship the same God, please understand that Mormons are welcomed here just as you are. As our welcome page says:


No matter your race, class, gender, culture, language, nationality, or religious setting, there is a place for you here.

Talk-Grace is a place of inclusion and openness, I hope you will respect that.

Amie

[backtothefuture]

I do believe those with different beliefs can have friendships. I have friends of many faiths and it really lifts me up to talk with them and try to see what they believe.
My own opinion is that many times I have said to my husband, how I admire the strength and devotion some of our friends have to their own belief system. We have had some very educational and meaningful discussions.
I may not agree with what they believe, but I do in a way admire them for sticking to what they believe if that makes sense.
Now here is a bad example. Our 25 year old daughter was with a group of friends the other night and she still asked me, "mom are Catholics Christians" I just felt terrible. We were in a church 20 years ago when she was just in kindergarten and they pounded it into the kids heads that Catholics were not Christians. I told her God has his sheep in all kinds of places and yes, I do believe that they are. I want my kids to see the fullness of God now. I want them to know that its not up to us to decide who is and who isn't. I would want them to Love people now and be a small mustard seed of hope and faith to a hurting world.
Just my 2cents:biggrinbounce:
Nancy