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Infinite Grace
02-05-2006, 06:26 PM
In case anyone is wondering what I am doing, I am trying to get as many threads started as possible. We can archive stuff later. Anyway, for anyone who might come new to this forum, I'd like to introduce myself. I am a Golden Retriever. I love people. I can just sit and chat with you all day long, and long into the night. I love people. I like to make people feel like someone loves them. But, like any big dog, when I'm backed in a corner, I come out barking. That's the side of me that far too many people see when they encounter me on the internet.

I was born and raised in Michigan. I was baptized Methodist, raised Episcopalian. Always believed that the bible was the truth, but never really knew the God that inhabited the heavens and earth. About 25 years ago, I met that God in a little Church of Christ in Abilene TX. About five years later, I learned a little about that sovereign God, and became an unapologetic, idolatry-smashing, bible-thumping, law-abiding Christian Reconstructionist. I knew everything, and if you didn't know that I knew everything, I'd tell you, and then I would try to impart my wisdom to you.

In 1990, I left the military, and my wife left me and our three children for her boyfriend (he was still in the military). For 3-1/2 years, I tried my best to raise my 3 kids, but I failed miserably at living my life for God. I no longer felt like that law-abiding citizen of God's kingdom: I was divorced. Passions were strong, and I fell strongly. Alcohol, pornography, strip bars, and woman-chasing (and they were running) led to me "losing my faith." The only thing that kept me going was my children. They didn't realize the double life I was leading, they thought their daddy was "God's Man."

Sometime in 1993 God kicked me in the butt to get my attention. I realized that my life was at the bottom of the pity pool, and God began to bring me to the surface - all grace. I met and married a very godly woman, with whom I just celebrated TODAY our 12th wedding anniversary. She gave me a 6 year old son that she brought into the marriage, and due to the fact that I kept my past from her, she gave me a whole lot of self-pride (always telling me what a godly man I was...she didn't know any better). It was nearly a year later that I finally told her of my activities after my divorce and before we met. It shook her world. But, we were Reconstructionists - law-abiding, possessors of the TRUE Gospel, the Calvinist gospel - the one that if you didn't believe it, you were going to get your butt fried...FOREVER, no appeal, no mercy...God was just, holy, righteous, and he wasn't going to forgive anyone who wasn't just like him. But he forgave me - I was, after all, holy like him.

Well, God has a funny way of doing things. After years of hell-fire and brimstone, predestination, election and reprobation, God showed me preterism. Preterism led to a questioning of everything - EVERYTHING. Then I became a full-fledged lovey-dovey liberal, even beginning to doubt God's word to us through his son. It was close folks. It was way too close for my liking.

But then something happened. I realized that I might not be right. My friends might not be right. None of us might be right. But GOD WAS RIGHT. JESUS WAS RIGHT. That's what mattered. GRACE. God's grace, infinite, comprehensive, common, fulfilled, advancing; it was a B-E-A-U-tiful thing. And it changed me forever.

I am now 47 years old (as of Jan. 21). I have 8 children (1 hers, 3 mine, 1 ours, and 3 the state's -adopted). Our oldest got married 3-1/2 years ago to the greatest son-in-law a man could ask for. Our eldest son is a Marine in North Carolina. We have two adult children (a daughter and a son) living at home, making a living, helping to pay bills, waiting until God brings them to the place to be married. The other 4, which include the 3 adopted ones from the state and our one biological child, are under 10. They are homeschooled as all their older brothers and sisters were.

We are homeschoolers, believe in courtship, are conservative politically, and believe that life should be lived in service to our neighbors. It is our hope to be "the Face of God" to our children, our neighbors, our fellow Christians. It is MY hope that this forum, and our corresponding websites will be to the world "the Face of God." That all that is said here, that is done here, that is discussed here, will teach all who come here that God is Love, as it says in his holy scriptures - and is testified to by the sacrifice of Jesus, and the love that is spread abroad in our hearts for all humanity.

jlv
02-07-2006, 12:05 PM
Hi everybody,

Love ya Ed,

If Ed's 47, then I must be 47. You saved me from having to get out my calculator.

And if Ed's a Golden Retriever, then I must be a Schnauzer. I bark at everybody and I love it when everybody barks back. I'm friendlier than I look and I can't tell the difference between a friendly bark and a growl. I'm always into everything and always in trouble.

I was dunked in an independent Christian Church when I was 16. We're the "organic brethren" of the Church of Christ.

I played army as a kid but never joined. I went to school until they gave me the third degree.

After 26 years, my bride still looks 22. I've got the pictures to prove it. Four of our brood are now in college. Number 5 wants his driver's liscense. Not until he finishes Eagle Scout.

When it comes to the afterlife, I'm pretty much agnostic.

Barry
02-07-2006, 12:41 PM
Welcome JLV.
Great to see ya here.
We are just getting things going but soon we will have a bunch a stuff you can contribute too if ya like.
Feel free to bring up something yourself if ya like.
I hope that you find that this is a great place to bring up just about anything (even afterlife LOL).
Cheers (from an X Church of Christ preacher) Barry.

Paige
02-07-2006, 03:58 PM
Ditto the welcome, jlv :)

Paige here, and I am excited to get this forum launched :biggrinbounce:

If I were to describe myself as a dog, my kids say it would be our Doberman "Phoenix", except I smell better.

Happily married for going on 22 years. Four wonderful and very bright kids! I think there is an afterlife, but can in no way describe it to anyone yet. If I must be truthful about my age, I am turning 40 this summer :uhh: However, I think my husband would attest that I still look 22 also. (He better!)

Dano
02-07-2006, 05:29 PM
Welcome, jlv!

good to have you here. I think we're all excited to be a part of this new site!

So it looks like we're all revealing our ages here ;) I'm probably the youngest one at a whopping 25, lol

jlv
02-08-2006, 12:32 PM
I think there is an afterlife, but can in no way describe it to anyone yet.

I guess I need to clarify what I meant. I believe there's an afterlife. I don't believe we have any idea which version people ascribe to is at all close.

JL

Lauri
02-10-2006, 02:08 PM
Ed,
Thanks for sharing all that about yourself. It's been great getting to know you. :biggrinbounce:

A little about myself:
Since everyone is sharing their age I'm 45. I happily married to a wonderful man. We have a beautiful (both inside and out) daughter who is a sophomore in college. I was raised in a two parent home with loving parents who nurtured and suppported me in all my decisions. They showed me a great deal of respect and trust as I was growing up and I tried very hard not to ever betray that trust. We have tried to raise our daughter in a very similar manner and she has always made good and mature choices in her life. I am the baby of the family, I had two older brothers. My oldest brother was killed in a bicycle accident about 5 years ago. My other brother is Schizophrenic. I married Andy who is also the baby with 5 older brothers. Maybe because we are both the youngest we like to help but are content to let others lead. I don't know if it's a good Idea for two youngest children to marry but it has worked for us so far except sometime neither one of us wants to be the one to make a decision. :uhh:

I began my walk with God in the Nazarene church when I was about 14. I became emersed in legalism and and the Holiness doctrine. We came to the preterist view about 14 years ago and the fulfilled grace view for Andy probably started about 8 years ago and me about 3 years ago. We were asked to leave a Nazarene church we were helping to plant when we got into a theological debate with the board about 4 years ago and our journey since then has taken many interesting twists and turns.

Andy took a career change 19 years ago when the steel plant he worked for shut down and got his A&P license to work on airplanes. We have been chasing a job in that industry every since getting laid off and moving, he is currently unemployed again. It has been stressful but God has consistently met our needs, but like the Isralites in the wilderness everytime we struggle we cry out to God, why didn't you let us stay in Egypt where at least we had food to eat and a place to sleep. When will we learn?

Lauri

backtothefuture
02-14-2006, 09:01 PM
Hi,
My name is Nancy (backtothefuture) I picked that name a few years ago when I started learning about preterism.
Mostly I have lurked around the boards for a few years. I feel like I understand a lot of what you guys are saying, but just never really know how to say what I am thinking. Kind of nervous of feeling stupid I guess!
Between these boards and reading a lot of writings by Chip Brogden I have taken a big U-turn in my belief. So not real sure what I believe at this point. But I enjoy learning and reading what you have to say.
Blessings
Nancy

Barry
02-14-2006, 09:18 PM
Getting started can make a person feel a bit nervous Nancy on any forum. But stick around and you will make the best of friends here.
Don't have to say much around here. Simple fellowship is great too. Got a section for the gals too.
Looking forward to your participation when ever you feel like speaking your mind.
Barry

ozark
02-14-2006, 10:08 PM
Nancy,

I think I remember you from the Christian Forums? Welcome!

Barry is right. You don't have to agree to hang around here. Anybody seeking the kingdom of God is welcome on this site.

Infinite Grace
02-14-2006, 10:21 PM
Hey Nancy,
I was just googling Chip's stuff. I must admit I have never heard of him, but it sure sounds like he might fit in quite well with us here. We may have disagreements on doctrine, but hey...the man obviously knows about grace, and that's more important than doctrine anyway.

I am planning on e-mailing Chip, asking him for permission to put one of his articles (with a weblink to his site) on my site, and then invite him to come here and "talk grace" with us. That's what we are about here - love and grace.

I am glad you are here, and I hope that you keep popping in on us now and then.

backtothefuture
02-15-2006, 05:48 PM
Hi,
I have been on a few forums. When I first discovered the Preterist Archive a few years back, I was excited and freaked. I kept it in my favorite places for a year, I think, before I even said a thing. I was really starting to grow in what I was learning, then 3 years ago we had 27 deaths in the family in less than 2 years and also our dog and cat. Also our oldest daughter was really sick and we thought we were going to loose her. So I kind of just didn't say much anywhere, but lurked for a long time. Just starting to come out of the grief now and figure out just what my faith is or isn't.
I feel like I have this hole in my soul. A wounded spirit. Accept I am not sure what I mean by spirit anymore. My heart, my mind, my person??? What is our spirit anyway, can someone tell me that for starters:)
blessings,
Nancy

Infinite Grace
02-15-2006, 07:01 PM
Nancy,
One of the things that religion tells us is that we should have this "blessed assurance" that tells us that everything is okay, that Jesus loves me, and all is right with the world. But sometimes, in our grief, in our suffering, we look for Jesus, and he seems to be far from us. The fact is, he is not. Our religious experience tells us how we should experience God - usually as some person in the bible, or some "super-spiritual" person in our local church did. Truth is, if you look in the bible, many people experienced God in many different ways - not all of them good. I mean, would you want to meet with God in a fiery furnace? Well, perhaps you have...

I would encourage you to read my post here on "The Face of God." I think that it is a good one (pardon my pride - I speak as a fool). Then I hope that you will try to find God's face in each of us here, or perhaps in a loved one in your life (or perhaps brother Chip). We are to be a reflection of the incarnation, the Face of God. I hope that my words, my empathy, my love for you will be to you a healing balm.

backtothefuture
02-15-2006, 08:21 PM
Hi,
Thanks Ed for the kind words. Chips writings have really saved me this year. Everyday I get a little like devotional and it is just enough to make me think and just enough, to take a deep breath and go forward. He is not in the preterist camp, but the grace he talks about and the revalation of Christ has really broken though a little of the darkness.
I am broken. I know that. All I have prayed for months is, I am broken Lord, help me. In an odd way, its turned out not to be a bad thing. There is a calm I have never experianced before. I realize I know nothing at this age (54) but there is still time to learn. Thats one reason I am so glad to have this place.
On my journey this last year, I asked God to take me to what I call "the grace place" I have actually been there and got a taste of it. I want more now. I hope you all will walk with me as I continue to walk out of the wilderness, into the grace place and come to a place of peace.
Blessings,
Nancy

davo
02-15-2006, 09:15 PM
G'day Nancy,

Great to know you're on a journey, and like any journey you sometimes need to pull over for a while and just chill where you are -- and it's the right thing to do. The last thing you or any of us need to do is to run according to someone elses program. I'm sure you're right where God needs for you to be :)

Blessings!!

backtothefuture
02-16-2006, 12:58 PM
Thanks Davo,
As week as I have felt my faith is this past year, there has been this underneath something, that I am just where I am suppose to be. I knew that I was called out of "church". I have had so many people tell me, how wrong that has been, and yet I feel it was the best thing that has happened to me in a long time. I could just be. Just grieve. Not try to figure everything out. Its like God put me in a chair and said, take a time out.
I really believe God knew I needed to grieve about my entire life. What I didn't know was that it would take 3 years. But, the good news is, I am coming up. Not to the mountain top, but I can see the ground at least now!
Aime has this saying at the bottom of her posts, "when you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change" That is exactly what has been happening to me this year. I personally believe for me, it took Grace to to do this. My sitting in sorrow and suffering has been about Grace and the lessons that go along with it.
Blessings,
Nancy