The Last Supper

[Amie]

So what of the "mysterious extra hand with a knife" in Da Vinci's The Last Supper painting? Where I'm talking about: See the second man on the left from Jesus who has a blue sleeve and a green sleeve? Just behind him there is a hand with a knife in it.

Whose hand is it? painting here (http://fits.depauw.edu/aharris/Courses/ArtH132/galleries/images/fullsize/fs_da_Vinci_Last_Supper_cleaned.jpg)

Amie

[Dano]

it looks like the man behind is grabbing the hand with the knife by its wrist?

He was the apostle who was always asking for the "I cant believe it's not butter," no naturally they had to seize his butter-knife. ;)

[Amie]

Well there ya go!

Thanks Dano, for solving the mystery :)

[Paige]

Do you think it is possible that the hand belongs to the man sitting directly to Jesus' left? When I look at it, it seems possible that the man is reaching around the second man to Jesus' left. Maybe to stab a piece of whatever it is on the tray?

Paige

[Amie]

Paige,

If you squint you'll see that the person to his left has his hands clenched together (both of them). I say person, cuz you know.. "he" may be a "she". (Have you heard the conspiracy theory?)

Amie

[Amie]

(Have you heard the conspiracy theory?)


Okay, just in case you haven't heard it: "Is that Mary Magdalene or the disciple, John, in Leonardo da Vinci’s 'Last Supper'? Scholars disagree."

click here for more (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3606237/)

Amie

[Lou]

I think this is an effort to make Apostle John look to be very young. Other artists of that era also painted John in a similar fashion.
I know that in church I was taught that John was 14-16 at the time of the “last supper.” I can only suppose that was taught in an effort to show that John could have been alive at AD 96. But reason would have it that he would have been at least thirty at that time so that he could teach in the temple and synagogues.

The “Da Vinci Code” is based on lies, errors and misunderstandings. Dan Brown claims that all in the book is true and been thoroughly investigated. That sounds good but it ain’t so.

[Paige]

Wow Lou, I always learn something new from you. That really makes sense about why they would want to paint John so young. I never considered that before. Thanks for sharing...:9_cool:

Paige

[Amie]

I agree that the clean shaven efeminit person next to Jesus is John - it just wouldn't ruin my faith if it were Mary.

I also agree with Paige Lou, you really know your stuff :)

Amie

[Lou]

I do believe that Mary was at the last supper but I doubt that Da Vinci was trying to plant Mary in the picture for some secret purpose.

Dan Brown also claims that Da Venice’s “The Mona Lisa” shows that there is two gods one male and one female. He claims the features on the painting are both male and female and that momalisa somehow translates to there being a male and female god. The problem with that is that Da Vinci never named the painting. It got the name years later, the model’s name was Lisa and in Italian Mona means woman. So somehow “The Woman Lisa” means there is a male and female god instead of a God with male and female attributes.

[Amie]

That's kinda funny since the Mona Lisa has cleavage. I think that a lot of the art in that era made women look masculine, but that is in contrast to what is societally attractive as per women today (exaggerated features).

I started a thread on The DaVinci Code movie (based on the book) here: http://talk-grace.com/showthread.php?p=1091#post1091

Amie

[christyG]

Hi ALL,

I've watched a show on the History Channel or National Geographic channel about De Vinci. It says that Leonardo was an egoist as well as a supposed homosexual. The show stated that Leonardo was depicting himself as a woman in the Mona Lisa. This show also suggests that De Vinci could be the true creator of the Shroud of Turren (sp.) If you don't know, it is the supposed burrial shroud of Jesus with distinct phyiscal features and a "negetive effect" (like a picture) among other things. They suggest this because the face of the one depicted in the Shroud also resembles Leo's only self portrait.

Interesting (IMO) so I thought I'd add.:)

Christy

[Amie]

I heard something about the shroud being a DaVinci hoax. He sure has become a celebrity out of his own time, hasn't he? I wonder how much of what people say is even true.

Here's that self portrait you mentioned: http://www.artchive.com/artchive/l/leonardo/leonardo_self-portrait.jpg

He reminds me of the wise owl/rat off the movie "The Secret of Nimh" (here's a picture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:The_Secret_of_NIMH.jpg)). He looks kind of tired to me.

Amie