"Let There Be Light"

[ElderChild]

"Let There Be Light"

"In The Beginning" The Creator, The Father of ALL
said, "Let There Be Light, and there was Light"

......."Let There Be Light".......

"The Beginning of the Creation of GOD"

And Revelations 3:14 testifies that The Messiah
was "The Beginning of the Creation of GOD
(Father of All)"! And The Messiah testified that
His GOD and Father(Creator) is The GOD and
Father(Creator) of His Brethren.

It is very important to both know and experience
The Messiah as He was and is, and also to know
the "glory He had with Our Father" before He was
born in "the likeness of sinful flesh".

Frst, let me simply state that i believe that the
"catholic" and "christian" systems of religious
theo(ry)logy are Anti-Messiah for they "imag"ine
a "christ" who is either one head of a three-headed
pagan "god", or is "god and father", or is an
exalted messenger(angel),or is but a prophet.

It is needful to believe that The Messiah was, is
and always will be "The Son of The Living GOD"
and that there is but "One GOD, Father of ALL".
The Messiah testified that The Only True GOD,
Father of ALL, was His GOD and His Father, and
was also The GOD and Father of His Brethren.

..."Let There Be Light"...

The Messiah simply testified in John 17:5 "And
now, O Father, glorify Me with YOUR own self
with the glory that I had with YOU before the
world began".

Prior to that testimony The Messiah testified in
John 12:35-36,"Yet a little while is The Light with
you. Walk while you have The Light, lest darkness
comes upon you: for he that walks in darkness does
not know where he goes. While you have Light,
believe in The Light, that you may be the children
of Light.""

And the apostle John testified: "In the beginning
was the Word, and the Word was with GOD, and
the Word was(not is) GOD. The same was in the
beginning with GOD. All things were made by Him;
and without Him was not any thing made that was
made. In Him was life; and the life was the Light
of men. And The Light shined in darkness; and the
darkness comprehended it not. There was a man
sent from GOD, whose name was John. The same
came for a witness, to bear witness of The Light,
that all men through Him might believe. He(John
the baptist) was not that Light, but was sent to
bear witness of that Light(The Messia). He was the
True Light, which enlightens every man that comes
into the world. He(The Messiah) was in the world,
and the world was made by Him, and the world
knew Him not. He came unto His own, and His own
received Him not. But as many as received Him, to
them gave He power to become the sons of GOD,
even to them that believe on His name: Which were
born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man, but of The Only True GOD."

And the apostle John testified in John 3:17-21:
"For Our Father sent not his Son into the world to
condemn the world; but that the world through Him
might be saved. He that believes on Him is not
condemned: but he that believes not is condemned
already, because he has not believed in the name
of the only begotten Son of Our Father. And this
is the condemnation, that Light is come into the
world, and men loved darkness rather than light,
because their deeds were evil. For every one
that does evil hates The Light, neither comes to
The Light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that does Truth comes to The Light(The
Messiah), that his deeds may be made manifest,
that they are wrought in Our Father."

In John 12:34 the people asked, "who is this Son
of man? Then in John 12:35-36, "The Messiah
answered, yet a little while is The Light with you.
Walk while you have The Light, lest darkness
come upon you: for he that walks in darkness
does not know where he goes. While you have
Light, believe in The Light, that you may be the
children of Light. The Messiah spoke these things,
and departed, and hid Himself from them."

Simply, "in the beginning" The Only True GOD
spoke The Word, "Let There Be Light".......
and there was Light! Certainly that was not
"natural" light for "natural" light, the sun, moon,
and stars were not created until the "fourth day".

"In the beginning", "The First Day", The One GOD,
Father of All created "The Light", without which
Creation Life, as we now know and experience it,
could not have been.

The First Day, The Messiah, "The beginning of the
Creation of GOD(HE WHO is The Only True GOD
and Father of ALL)"! And "The Light which
enlightens every man born into the world", was
born as a child destined to be The Messiah.

The Messiah, "The Light of the world".

The Messiah, "The firstborn of all Creation".

The Messiah,"The firstborn among many brethren".

The Messiah, "The firstborn from among the dead".

The Messiah, "A servant of The Only True GOD".

Once again: "in the beginning" Our Father spoke:
"Let there be Light, and there was Light"!

The Messiah, "The Beginning of the Creation of
GOD", "the firstborn of all Creation".

HalleluYAH!

The Messiah, Created by The Only True GOD,
Father of ALL!

The Messiah, "The Light of the world"!

And The Messiah, "The Lamb of GOD," is
The Light of The New Heavenly Jerusalem.

Sadly, those of this world yet love darkness ;-(
And they will abide in that which they loved
forever ;-(

Sadder yet, religious systems of this world
such as "catholicism", "christianity", "judaism",
"islam",.etc., have so perverted The Testimonies,
that today, as in the yesterdays gone by, "The
Way of Truth is evil spoken of" because of their
theo(ry)logical, heretical doctrines that are of
men, and especially those theo(ry)logical
doctrines which seek to define The Only True
GOD, Father(Creator) of All.

All such doctrines are but the product of
mankind's "imag"ination and mankind's
"imag"ination is responsible for the destruction
and perversion of Creation(earth, air, water,
creatures, Truth, Love, Peace, Hope, .etc.)

Yes, sadly ;-( Creation is being destroyed by
self-willed men who could care less about that
which is of Truth(what is), and care even less
about those things which they can not compre-
hend apart from their natural senses and mental
processes ;-(

And Truth testifies, The Creator "will destroy
those who destroy the earth(HIS Creation)"
(Rev 11:18).

Sadly, in this wicked world, those who seek profit
will naturally overcome those who do not ;-(

Yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

For Miracles do happen and Faith rejoices against
theo(ry)logy(logic) and profit(greed)!

Hope is there would be those who experience
The Miracle that is "receiving a love of
The Truth" for they will "see" "The Light".

And they will receive peace, in spite of the
dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this world, for
they will clearly "see" this world and it's
systems of religion as they are, and not as
"imag"inative humans would have us believe
them to be.

They will clearly "see" that "The WHOLE world
is under the control of the evil one" and that
this world's systems of theo(ry)logical religion
are all Anti-Messiah(Anti-Light), indeed and
Truth....... Francisco

[Amie]

Welcome Francisco!

While I agree that old thinking dies hard, I see it as dying. I don't think that there are human beings that have any authority to destroy the new creation that God has made, Jesus has already overcome! The evil one has no power, though the affects of that influence are clearly seen.

The planet as a whole is improving, because this is a new age; an age wherein the light is not overcome by darkness.

What a blessing to have eyes to see. This reminds me of a story written by a friend (Doug's around here somewhere):



A man had a dream that he was walking with Jesus. He asked the Lord to show him the beauty of God’s kingdom. In his mind he pictured a perfect world where there were no unlovable people. He thought of a place where he would have no enemies. Everyone would agree on everything, and everyone would do right all the time. Most of all it would be a place where he himself would have no weaknesses, and he would never fail God again. He pondered what a beautiful place that would be.

Jesus began to show the man the kingdom of God. Yet, the fellow was puzzled at what the Lord revealed. Jesus took him to the worst part of the man’s city. There he saw the outcasts, the homeless, and the worst sinners. Then Jesus brought him before the man’s worst enemies. He told the fellow to look into the eyes of the people who had caused him the most pain. Finally, the man saw images of his own life. He saw his worst failures and his greatest defeats.

The man exclaimed “Enough! How can this be the kingdom of God? It is so ugly!” Jesus touched the fellow’s eyes, and he began to see things that he had never seen before. He saw how much the Lord loved the outcasts and even the worst sinners. He saw that Jesus loved the people that had hurt the man the most with a relentless love. Finally, the man saw how much Jesus loved him even in the midst of his failures.

The man fell on his knees and praised God saying, “How beautiful is your kingdom Lord! How beautiful is the kingdom of God!


Peace,

Amie

[ElderChild]

simply, the New Creation is of The Spirit, Heavenly, not of the earth, earthly. that's why believers are exhorted to "set their affections on things above, Heavenly things" and not be liken unto those whose "god is their bellies bacause they mind earthly things".......

The Good News was "The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand" and Truth is
"The Kingdom of Heaven(GOD) Has Come"!

hope is there would be those who experience The Miracle that is "receiving a love of The Truth" for they will "see" The Kingdom!

and soon to be, Home, Home at last! HalleluYAH!

"caterpillar to butterfly" indeed and Truth!

peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this wicked world,
for "the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one"....... francisco

[Amie]

The Good News was "The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand" and Truth is
"The Kingdom of Heaven(GOD) Has Come"!

hope is there would be those who experience The Miracle that is "receiving a love of The Truth" for they will "see" The Kingdom!

and soon to be, Home, Home at last! HalleluYAH!

Beautiful!

I don't agree at this point that this world is "wicked" or "under the control of the evil one". Every day God is glorified all the more imho.

Amie

[ElderChild]

just remember, it's not me you do not agree with.......

The Messiah testified of a "wicked world" and that "those of this world
hated Him" and that "those of this world would hate those who followed
Him" ;-(

the apostle John exhorted those who follow The Messah to "love not the
world, nor the things that are in the world", and testified that "if any man loves this world the love of The Father is not in him", and that "the
WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one".......

and the apostle James testified that "whoever would be a friend of this world is the enemy of GOD".......

peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this world....... francisco

[Paige]

Francisco,


That world being spoken of was the Old Covenant world. Scripture testified that it was "about to" (Greek word mello) pass away. The passing away was imminent, and would come to pass shortly. In fact Jesus said it would be so within that generation. I don't believe that the fulfilled view argues with scripture, but rather harmonizes with it.

Paige

[Amie]

The Messiah testified of a "wicked world" and that "those of this world hated Him" and that "those of this world would hate those who followed Him" ;-(

The world that Jesus was speaking of existed in Christ's era. It was a world which contained elements that this world does not contain. One of the elements within that old world was the temple, and it no longer standing is a sign that those elements are gone.


the apostle John exhorted those who follow The Messah to "love not the world, nor the things that are in the world", and testified that "if any man loves this world the love of The Father is not in him", and that "the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one".......

Yes, and it was. The evil one has since been put away, having no more authority here. The Kingdom of God has come to us, and there is one King only.


and the apostle James testified that "whoever would be a friend of this world is the enemy of GOD".......

This reminds me very much of another conversation that we're having here at talk-grace. For someone to be an "adulterer" in the time of James, they must have been found so according to the Mosaic Law. Any sentence would follow. Taken from the other conversation, see here the courts:

http://www.bible-history.com/jewishtemple/JEWISH_TEMPLE00000018.jpg

Those of the old world were using the law to condemn one another. They were exhalting themselves at the cost of others. There would be no need for self exhaltation of course, had they felt large enough to begin with. Israel was a nation plagued with shame.

The minute that they used the law to pass judgment, they made themselves judges. James said, "Do not speak against one another, brothers. He that speaks against a brother, and is judging a brother, he speaks against Law, and judges Law. But if you judge Law, you are not a doer of Law, but a judge."

James had just said that God will exhalt those who need exhaltation similarly to what God told Cain. "If you do well, is there not exaltation?" (Gen 4:7)

James continued in questioning the authority of the people using the law to pass judgment, showing who has a higher authority saying, "One is the Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you who judges another?"


just remember, it's not me you do not agree with.......

Perhaps you are right. It's accurate to say though, that I do not agree with your chosen method of interpretation. I prefer to examine the scriptures in view of their historical context. That means considering who the audience that the author is speaking to, what the thoughts in that day were, how they believed and worshipped, and more. Further still, I consider what what they did means for me.

If the evil one has been put down and has no authority, then we have been given the freedom to make this world a better place. That means nothing less than God's will being done on earth as it is in heaven - heaven having come to us. Yes, the "Kingdom HAS come", "halleluYAH!" So beautifully said! :clap2:

Amie

[ElderChild]

sadly, there are many who can not "see" that "THY Kingdom HAS Come";-(

sadder yet there are many who can not "see" that The Kingdom of GOD is
of The Spirit, Heavenly, not of this wicked world, and earthly.......

The Messiah preached The Good News, "The Kingdom of Heaven(GOD)" is
at hand".......period.......

and when earthly, worldly jerusalem was destroyed that which was "waxing
old" did indeed "vanish away" and the promised "Kingdom of Heaven(GOD)"
was manifest unto all with "eyes to see".

no longer was there an old, earthly, worldly, temporal kingdom, but a New,
Spiritual, Heavenly, Eternal Kingdom of GOD.

sadly, those "who love this world, and their own life in it" can not "see"
The Kingdom for they "see" only with their fleshly eyes ;-(

and so they have their portion with those who are destroying and
perverting Creation(land, air, water, creatures, Truth, Peace, Love, Hope,
.etc.) ;-(

yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

for Miracles do happen!

hope is there would be those who experience The Miracle that is receiving
"a love of The Truth" for they will "see" The Kingdom of Heaven.

peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this wicked world.......
francisco

[Amie]

sadder yet there are many who can not "see" that The Kingdom of GOD is of The Spirit, Heavenly, not of this wicked world, and earthly.......

I believe that the spirit has come to this earth.


sadly, those "who love this world, and their own life in it" can not "see" The Kingdom for they "see" only with their fleshly eyes ;-(

This is drawing scripture out of context. Per covenant eschatology, there was the old covenant world, and the new covenant world.

Gnosticism defines one world as where we abide now and as evil, and another as someplace outside of it where we will abide someday and as good.


and so they have their portion with those who are destroying and perverting Creation(land, air, water, creatures, Truth, Peace, Love, Hope, .etc.) ;-(

The judgement already happened.

I love this earth, and I can only imagine what it must be like to feel uncomfortable with your surroundings - if that is how you're feeling. I mean, to have to live in a place that you seem to see as God-hated (if I'm misunderstanding, please correct me). Imagining myself in those shoes, it would be quite tough. I'm glad that you feel hopeful amidst it all.

I feel minimized by your expression of pity.

Amie

[ElderChild]

if "the way you look at things" is of your "imag"ination and fleshly desires then what you believe is a lie.......period.......

i remain sad for them who can not see that this world is a wicked and evil
system that is but the product of mankind's "imag"ination.......period.......

the "earth" is of "The Only True GOD, Creator of ALL", and this "world" is
of mankind's "imag"ination and mankind's "imag"ination is destroying and
perverting The Only True GOD's Creation(land, air, water, creatures, Truth, Peace, Love, Hope, .etc.) ;-(

sadly, those who seek profit will naturally overcome those who do not -(

yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

for Miracles do happen!

hope is there would be those who experience The Miracle that is receiving
"a love of The Truth" for they will "see" The Kingdom of Heaven.

peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this wicked world.......
francisco

[Amie]

if "the way you look at things" is of your "imag"ination and fleshly desires then what you believe is a lie.......period.......

Define "fleshy desires". No, my view of the world is not in my image, but in love's image and "God is love".

Why are you sad for people?

Amie

[ElderChild]

Define "fleshy desires". No, my view of the world is not in my image, but in love's image and "God is love".

Why are you sad for people?

Amie
Love is not an "image".......period....... Love is Spirit and Is Alive!

and because Love Is, i am sad for the multitudes of people who are but
serving "time" in the prison that is this wicked, evil world ;-( for them, the
only Love they experience is lust ;-(

and the apostle John, he who testified "GOD is Love", also bore witness to
fleshly desires, all of which are of this world and alien to The Only True
GOD, HE WHO is Love.......

"Love not the world, neither love the things that are in the world. If any
man loves the world, The Love of GOD The Father is not in him. For all that
is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the
pride of life, is not of GOD The Father, but is of the world. And the world
passes away, and the lust thereof: but he that does the will of GOD
abides forever".......

should be clearly "seen" why i am sad for those people who but serve
"time" in the prison that is this wicked, evil world ;-(

yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

for Miracles do happen!

hope is there would be those who experience The Miracle that is receiving
"a love of The Truth" for they will "see" The Kingdom of Heaven.

peace, in spite of the dis-eases(lies) that are of this wicked world.......
francisco

[Amie]

Love is not an "image".......period....... Love is Spirit and Is Alive!

There might be some who disagree with you and your method of interpreting the scripture which supports your view. I do want to clarify that I did not say that Love IS an image. The world is able to reflect love, and does. It contains that Spirit of which you speak for the parousia of God has happened.

So you believe that everyone who disagrees with you is unable to experience love? But somehow only experiences lust?

Amie

[ElderChild]

There might be some who disagree with you and your method of interpreting the scripture which supports your view. I do want to clarify that I did not say that Love IS an image. The world is able to reflect love, and does. It contains that Spirit of which you speak for the parousia of God has happened.

So you believe that everyone who disagrees with you is unable to experience love? But somehow only experiences lust?

Amie

thing is that you disagree with The Only True GOD, HE WHO Is Love ;-(

the apostle John, he who testified "GOD is Love", also bore witness to
fleshly desires, all of which are of this world and alien to The Only True
GOD, HE WHO is Love.......

"Love not the world, neither love the things that are in the world. IF ANY
ONE LOVES THE WORLD, THE LOVE OF GOD THE FATHER IS NOT IN THEM.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes,
and the pride of life, is not of GOD The Father, but is of the world. And
the worldpasses away, and the lust thereof: but he that does the will of
GOD abides forever".......

should be clearly "seen" why i am sad for those people who but serve
"time" in the prison that is this wicked, evil world ;-(

yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

for Miracles do happen!

hope is there would be those who experience The Miracle that is receiving
"a love of The Truth" for they will "see" The Kingdom of Heaven.

peace, in spite of the dis-eases(lies) that are of this wicked world.......
francisco

[Amie]

thing is that you disagree with The Only True GOD, HE WHO Is Love ;-(

I said "some" might disagree with you, and clarified that I never said that love IS an image.


So you believe that everyone who disagrees with you is unable to experience love? But somehow only experiences lust?

Do you believe the above?

Amie

[backtothefuture]

Hi,
Just my 2 cents. But I have known many a people who know love, show love, act as love, give love and would say they are not Christians or don't believe in anything.

I would say, that they are still an extension of Gods love and are serving him, living in the light, though not in a fundamental way, but in a capacity of love that is here because God is here now with us whether people believe that or not still doesn't diminish the fact that God is Love and is here.

Blessings,
Nancy

[Amie]

Hi,
Just my 2 cents. But I have known many a people who know love, show love, act as love, give love and would say they are not Christians or don't believe in anything.

I would say, that they are still an extension of Gods love and are serving him, living in the light, though not in a fundamental way, but in a capacity of love that is here because God is here now with us whether people believe that or not still doesn't diminish the fact that God is Love and is here.

Blessings,
Nancy

:clap2: Here! Here! So well said! Amen sister! :clap2:

[alicia]

Francisco,

This world is not wicked. Look around you. Surely you can find something positive??? God is Love. We are made in His image. Anything, IMO, that is not loving is from an EGO in desire of control....separated from God and doing HIM a disservice. How dare you dash the hope of other people. Take your pessimism elsewhere.

Alicia

[ElderChild]

Francisco,

This world is not wicked. Look around you. Surely you can find something positive??? God is Love. We are made in His image. Anything, IMO, that is not loving is from an EGO in desire of control....separated from God and doing HIM a disservice. How dare you dash the hope of other people. Take your pessimism elsewhere.

Alicia
this thread is posted under "Biblical Impressions", not "Biblical "Imag"inations".......

once again:

thing is that you disagree with The Only True GOD, HE WHO Is Love ;-(

the apostle John, he who testified "GOD is Love", also bore witness to
fleshly desires, all of which are of this world and alien to The Only True
GOD, HE WHO is Love.......

"Love not the world, neither love the things that are in the world. IF ANY
ONE LOVES THE WORLD, THE LOVE OF GOD THE FATHER IS NOT IN THEM.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes,
and the pride of life, is not of GOD The Father, but is of the world. And
the world passes away, and the lust thereof: but he that does the will of
GOD abides forever".......

should be clearly "seen" why i am sad for those people who but serve
"time" in the prison that is this wicked, evil world ;-(

yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

for Miracles do happen!

hope is there would be those who experience The Miracle that is receiving
"a love of The Truth" for they will "see" The Kingdom of Heaven.

peace, in spite of the dis-eases(lies) that are of this wicked world.......
francisco

[Barry]

this thread is posted under "Biblical Impressions", not "Biblical "Imag"inations".......

once again:

thing is that you disagree with The Only True GOD, HE WHO Is Love ;-(


francisco

Hi Francisco.
If you wish to continue here, discuss bible and your biblical impressions and the biblical impressions of others you are kindly asked to change you tone a little. We are quite strict here about such things.

In other words, please feel free to express your views, without telling everyone else time and again that to disagree with you is to disagree with God. That is not discussion or fellowship or love.
If you can fellowship with us we will not need to delete this thread.

Blessings to you
Barry

[ElderChild]

the "bible" simply states that "the WHOLE world is under the control of the
evil one" and The Messiah testified of "a wicked world that hated Him" and
James testified that "whoever would be a friend of this world is the enemy
of GOD" and Paul exhorts those who would follow The Messiah to "set their
affections on things above" and not be of those "whose god is their belly
because they mind earthly things" and John exhorts believers to "love not
the world, or the things that in the world" and whoever "loves this world
has not the Love of GOD in them".......

fellowship with you? she/he's and he/she's, and lovers of this wicked world
that you are?

all i can do is hope there would be those who would experience The Miracle
that is receiving "a love of The Truth". till then all one can "know" is the
lustfilled world, for they have not The Love of GOD in them ;-(

and there is hope, for Miracles do happen!

peace, in spite of the dis-ease(lust) that is of this wicked world.......
francisco

[Paige]

Well, it seems you have no desire to learn, but rather have set yourself up as a teacher. Thats fine and dandy, but to then proclaim that all who disagree with your interpretation (and that is all it is), are evil and whatnot is over the top.

Every use of the "world" that you use has a specific context (which you have ripped apart to your own liking). Folks around here are not so easily taken in. If the desire of your heart is to convert, you will probably not have that desire (aka, lust) met.

Paige

[Amie]

fellowship with you? she/he's and he/she's, and lovers of this wicked world that you are?

You are free to believe and think as you choose.

I can only imagine how hard life must be for you living in a world that you see as wicked. May you be comforted child of God, and know love; and if you have known love, may it be increased to you.

Amie

[backtothefuture]

Hi,
I mean know dis-respect, but maybe you need to change your light bulb. That is what I had to do. I use to see only through very fundamental light. The reward of that was being in total darkness for 40 out of my 56 years. (today:biggrinbounce: )
What can it hurt to put in a new bulb, change the wattage or get fitted for a new light fixture. God is good. I know that because I am sitting here tonight writing this.
The truth set me free. The truth of grace and love and a world that is not perfect and does have bad things, but also has a lot of people working to bring love to those much needed places and people. Its feels so good to have the yoke of judgment off my back. It feels so good to just love.
I am so thankful today that my old light bulb burned out. If it hadn't I may never have changed it.
blessings,
Nancy

[Barry]

Very well put Nancy.
Good points have been brought up by Amie, Paige and Alicia.

Perhaps a little frustration from time to time to. LOL! :)

The point is:
The world that was "evil" that being the then "present evil age", is referring to the old covenant world.

James was telling his first century brethren not to be a friend to the old covenant world that was about to pass away.

Now whatever "evil" and or "wickedness" that we might see or experience in our time becomes a different side discussion.
That is if we can first get our dear friend Fransisco to first discuss these things with us.

What do you say Fransisco? Are you willing to look into these things with us or is your mind completely made up already?

And none of this stuff here please.

fellowship with you? she/he's and he/she's, and lovers of this wicked world
that you are?


We still just might be able to save this thread :)

Blessings and love,
Barry